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| Interesting question & answer on astrology |
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Q 01: You have written in your book titled Repercussion of Karmic Law that every individual must pay for his committed sins either in the same birth or most probably in the following birth and there is no escape from paying the penalty……….but we see many people particularly some corrupt politicians, dishonest businessman, fake saints, fraudulent government servants etc &b etc openly committing heinous crimes (sins) but living majestically in the society and enjoying their life till the end without any fear of law, any fear of God or common man…..! What is the use if they are punished in the next birth as per law of Karma…..? It will be a lesson for others if they are punished in the same birth itself…any comments? |
A: I liked your question very much……….the process of Karmic Law and rebirth theory is as follows: |
A soul after performing excellent deeds in its past several births and as a reward to its outstanding Karmas, takes rebirth during favourable planetary position to enjoy the blessings for its past birth virtues Karmas; therefore, the soul enters the womb (or earth) with special blessings possessing extraordinary horoscope which we call FREE BIRTH in Vedic Astrology. Under the Free-Birth process, the individual gets success whether he / she choose virtues means (fearing God) or sinful means (succumbing to Satan’s pressure)………. |
Example: |
Mr. ‘X’ who was born about 87 years ago had several beneficial Yog present in full operational strength in his Birth-Chart which clearly confirmed his past birth outstanding Karmas. |
He had Obhayachari Yog (eloquent speaker), Anivaguppu Yog (Leadership ability), Simhasana Yog (occupying royal throne), Ruchaka Yog (good health and sound physique), Gajakesari Yog (renowned and popular), Garuda Yog (having national or international fame), Trilochana Yog (great amount of wealth), Bahu Patni Yog, Sreshta Putra Yog, Graha Yog, Vahana Yog etc and etc. Very few people may get all the aforesaid Maha Bhagya Yog in fullest operational form. |
Therefore ‘X’ deserved to enjoy all the aforesaid Yog in this birth due to his virtuous and noble deeds in his past birth. |
Mr. ‘X’, though born in an ordinary family, started enjoying the results of the gifted Yog traced in his horoscope right from his boyhood. He became the ruler of his state for the first time at the age of 45 and he occupied the ‘hot-seat’ every now and then till May 2011. He is not only an atheist and conceit but he always ridiculed the existence of God; he insulted particular caste people. He clearly misused his blessings in this birth hence he was once described to be the ‘most corrupted person’ on the earth by a leading Indian English newspaper. Even after committing countless inexcusable sins in this birth, he still enjoys his present birth with dignity due to his past birth exceptional Karma and blessings for the same. |
There is no doubt that his soul would have definitely become strained due to powerful curses from almost all walks of life for his boundless wrong deeds in this birth but his past birth virtuous deeds are still protecting, shielding and blessing him. |
Astrologically speaking Mr. X has already started feeling the heat of the powerful curses with the sentencing of his sweetie. |
One day he will have to die and his strained soul will run away from his body…..and the soul will soar here and there……….and finally one day ‘the completely cursed and absolutely strained’ soul will enter into any new womb to take rebirth (and may be named as Mr. ‘Y’ or ‘Z’) during adverse planetary position on this very same earth and start paying the penalty for all the committed sins. (Let us assume he will be named ‘Y’) |
The power of the curse following ‘Y’ may punish him severely for one or two or three consecutive births depending upon the degree of the curses he would have received. In order to escape his hardship, ‘Y’ may visit astrologers, numerologists, gemmologists, tarot readers, mantriks, tantriks saints, priests and he may visit all the worshipping places but none could rescue him from the wrath of the powerful curses till the curses get evaporated completely……………. |
This is what Karmic Law suggests us. If we commit heinous sins in one of the granted birth then we have to pay for the same in next birth; in this juncture it is foolishness to say “that an entirely new life comes in to being at the birth, after its life span and disappears forever. Good and bad actions earn their reward and punishment right here on the earth. Any sin committed, is liquidated by sincere repentance and confession before God”. |
In another instance Mr. ‘A’ was born with reasonably good Yog for his past birth gracious deeds hence he was sent to earth with blessings (not amounting to the blessings that was traced in Mr. X’s Chart). Seeing ‘A’ becoming greedy in accumulating wealth through all wrongful means under the influence of Satan, God stayed away from him. Satan got a free hand to mould ‘A’ according to its will. ‘A’, who was believer in God mistook Satan’s “fake blessings” to be God’s real blessings and indulged in all wicked acts as if he had the right to do so. He tortured poor farmers and grabbed their lands thus he ruined many poor families. He exploited many young girls luring them with good fortunes; he suppressed his enemies with iron hand. Unlike ‘X,’ he regularly visited worshiping places and fed poor on his birthdays. He never knew that God had left him long ago and he was doing everything under the influence of Satan. Finally one fine morning the nasty Satan left him and ran away quietly leaving him all alone. Gradually ‘A’ became ill and totally bedridden and became deaf and speechless. He was in death bed for about two long years! |
All the relatives including his own sons left him alone. The bed where he laid became his dining table, toilet etc. On closing his eyes he felt the poor people crying (whom he tortured and grabbed their land); he felt the young helpless girls crying for help (whom he raped mercilessly); thus he started feeling the heat of curses from the same birth. Lying all alone in the death-bed for two long years is one the severest punishment. Finally he died and took rebirth to pay the penalty for his wrong Karma. |
I can cite about thousands examples if you are ready to read and if you have time to spare. |
One must know the different between the God’s real blessings and Satan’s ‘fake blessings’. In this world many people mistake Satan’s fake blessings to be God’s real blessings and indulge freely in unorthodox way of life. Karmic Law teach us to identify the differences between the real and fake blessings and act wisely and lead the life without hurting others.
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| Q 02: An Astrologer told me that at present the Saturn is transiting over my natal Moon, therefore, I am facing lot of hardship under the clutches Janma Sani. However, one of my friends who is also born in the same Moon sign as I am, is leading an excellent life….why such partiality results from Janma Sani? |
A: Perhaps, excellent question; these types of doubts are there in the minds of several people. I wish to answer this question enthusiastically and in detail. |
Astrologically speaking, an individual’s prospects must be traced from three major divisions from the horoscope before arriving to any conclusion and an astrologer must know how to calculate each category minutely. . |
| ONE: Strength of horoscope. |
| TWO: Influence from ruling Maha Dasa |
| THREE: Support from transit of major planets (Gotchara). |
Now let me explain with an example: |
Assuming if an individual is born on 01st January 1980 @ dawn in New Delhi in Aquarius Moon sign (Kumbh Rasi) and in order to find how is his present time; astrologers must calculate each of the following aspects carefully and deliver the findings meticulously. |
[Present time (July 2011) for a person born on 01 / 01 / 1990 @ dawn in New Delhi.] |
| General strength of horoscope |
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71% (this percentage will not change). |
| Influence from Maha Dasa |
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54% (this percentage will change). |
| Support from transits of planets |
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49% (this percentage will change). |
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174% |
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If we divide 174 by 3 we get 58; therefore 58% is the final percentage the individual is getting as on today (July 2011) which is less than the average rate (average for minimum success is 60%); so there will be some hurdles in his good progress; though the different seems to be hardly 2% but that also matters severely. We cannot increase the percentage rate but the individual can overcome his problems by using his gifted Will-Power. |
The percentage rate of Maha Dasa and transit of planets will increase or decrease but the percentage obtained through the planetary position in a horoscope will remain the same, hence, some learned people term horoscope to be blue print of an individual...and some call that destiny. |
Assuming if a person has got high rate for his / her Maha Dasa and high rate for horoscope then the transit of planets will not bother him or her anyway. I think your friend would have got high rate for horoscope and Maha Dasa and you wouldn’t have got such percentage therefore you are suffering under Janma Sani and he is not. |
If the percentage of horoscope is very high (say above 90%) and if the percentage obtained for Maha Dasa and Gotchara is not up to mark then also the individual must suffer under certain Maha Dasa or Gotchara. |
In another case a person was born with just 50% horoscope strength (i.e. minus 50%); he led very ordinary life and sailed through acute poverty till the age of 20; thereafter he entered into politics to “serve” the poor and downtrodden people of this country. However, from the age of 35 he came under the influential Maha Dasa and also received support from Gotchara; so the total percentage rate rapidly shoot up to 68% (50+92+62); the total percentage had been gradually increasing every time due to Maha Dasa and Gotchara and as on today the percentage has touched up to 76%. As a result, the uneducated and uncultured person is in a top most position and enjoying all sorts of comforts ‘generously’ from the government. He has accumulated wealth for his forthcoming seven generations. Once the influence of Maha Dasa gets over the person will be pushed back to his ‘old gold’ 50%.................and we have to wait and watch what happens next!!!!!! |
Q 03: An astrologer suggested me to do Navagraha Shanti Puja (to please the nine planets) for nine weeks and I did the same sincerely spending huge amount but none of my sufferings have come down. |
A: How can you say that nothing has come down for you because your bank balance would have definitely comedown!! |
Read what I wrote in my article: “…I always believed in Karma and rebirth theory; and also in one Supreme Power. I often opposed to the common belief and general practise by many Astrologers that such and such a sacrifice or grains or pulses or things should be offered to such and such a planet to appease it or pacify it because I firmly believe that planets are just agents of one Supreme God indicating only the effects produced by such causes, without they themselves producing the effects….” |
Q 04: I am 40 years old lady; good looking, well educated hailing from reasonably well to do family and ‘am earning well...…but not yet got married …though I am interested in getting marriage. I did all sort of remedies suggested by various astrologers but nothing worked out. I am fed up and so my parent and brothers are…..will I ever get marriage? |
A: First of all you must thank God for delaying you marriage till date………….CONFUSED? |
The seventh house from your ascendant in your Birth-Chart (house of marriage) is powerfully occupied by malefic planets and the lord of seventh house is seriously afflicted. Seventh house is also cruelly aspected by malefic planets hence you had to suffer unbearable miseries in your married life had you got married with anyone on this earth due to the powerful curses following you in this birth for your wrecked acts in past birth. Nevertheless, the position of Venus and Mercury in your horoscope rescued you from suffering in your married life…………..till confused? |
Venus’ Maha Dasa which started ruling from the age of 22 (to 42) curtailed the chance of getting marriage for you thus defended you from experiencing disappointment, disagreement or distrust in your married life. Had you got marriage at the age of 23 or 24 or 25…then your married life would have been nothing more than a hell. |
We can get some clue from the planetary position in your Birth-Chart and imagine what would have happened to you in your past birth……let me try to explain you my findings which may be true or may not be true but I believe my findings to be true……… |
After committing unforgivable sins in the form of insulting, torturing, abusing your helpless servants (married couples) in your last birth, you would have finally started realising your arrogance and felt regression for your committed sins; you would have donated your entire belongings to your ‘victims’ and become empty and surrendered and confessed in front of Goddess; you would have spent your remaining life serving poor and helpless people and introspecting yourself; thus you would have got the blessings of Goddess but you could not escape the powerful curses already pronounced by your servants due to your conceit temperament. |
Since you became totally empty and donated your belongings to your own ‘victims’ and surrendered in front of Goddess in your last birth, so Venus (Sukra Devta) protected you from suffering in your marriage life….but the curses already pronounced upon you made you to sit singular all these years…………. |
You may get marriage once you come out of Venus Maha Dasa (at your 42 years) but by then you would have already lost the charm of your damsel!
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Q 05: I read somewhere that even a single planet in its own house or even one planet in exaltations in a Birth-Chart blesses a person with good fortune ………. I have two planets in exaltation in my horoscope but good fortune is my long distance dream till date…why? |
A: I have seen people born with three planets in deep exaltation but suffering unthinkable miseries in their life. An individual born on 16th April 1924 at about midnight in south India had three planets in deep exaltations and one planet in its own house but the individual who is still alive had suffered untold miseries in the granted life and the beauty is that the individual is still suffering. When an exalted planet aspect another exalted planet then both the planets lose their charm and become null; therefore what you have read is not correct. |
Q 06: I want to become very famous in the world of course by doing much good works for people. How to proceed with as per my horoscope? |
A: You have Jupiter Sun and Mercury well placed in your Birth-Chart hence you will get name and fame for your good work provided if you do good work from the bottom of your heart. Saturn which has also joined the combination will turn you to become greedy and force you to work for getting just name and fame and keep you away from honesty. |
Therefore, if you do not succumb to the negative vibration from Saturn then you will be admired for your good work automatically. There is a saying-“Fools obey planets and wiremen control them’”. You are wise man and you can very well control the negative vibration from Saturn and do good work sincerely without expecting too much return for your perspiration. |
In contrary, if you allow your greediness to grow within you then you may be influenced by the nasty Satan and then he God’s real blessings would get detached from you. Satan’s fake blessings will make you famous overnight but may not last long and one fine morning it will run away leaving you all alone. |
Whereas God’s blessings will give you name and fame permanently but not so easily and those blessings will definitely last forever. The God’s real blessings will make people to remember you even after your death. A classical example is of Mahakavi Subramania Bharathiar who was one of the greatest Tamil poets, a prolific writer, philosopher and a great visionary of immense genius. He was also one of the most prominent leaders of the Indian independence movement. A full fledge university is functioning there in his name in Tamil Nadu. In order to respect Mahakavi, there are many statues erected even outside Tamil Nadu………………you know one truth-when he died at the age of 38 or so, there were only 14 people to attend his funeral!
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Q 07: As per the suggestion of some astrologers, I performed milk and honey abhishek in a temple for 21 days and also offered water to Sun for 41 days in order to get peace of mind and good luck, but nothing worked out. What else should I do to get wealth as well as peace in my life? What is the genuine way to satisfy God in order to receive God’s blessings? |
| A: “To obtain peace within ourselves, our own priorities and perspectives must be properly placed. Love is the highest of all emotion and thought, and with that perspective inner peace will come. We must remain open-minded and value the thoughts of others just as we do our own. Because one thinks differently does not mean their thoughts are wrong. You must weight this without prejudice for a heart without prejudice is a heart at peace”-Anonymous- |
Number One: Although the practise of bathing the idol of God in temple with oil, milk, coconut-water, honey, ghee, mixed-fruits, sugar, sandalwood-water and decorating the idols with aromatic flowers and expensive ornaments etc are normal routine and age old custom followed in our country, but I don’t think that even God would have ever demanded for such practises from us; all are man-made customs in the remote past which we still follow fearing that God will get ‘angry’ if we don’t follow such traditions. The truth is that we are fooling ourselves in trying to please God by following such unwanted practise. |
Since I don’t want to fall into any controversy, therefore, I am not elaborating my thoughts; nevertheless, personally I am against to the practise of trying to please the God through wasting money and materials. We see people burning out tons and tons of oil for lighting lamp in temples (especially in Kerala and Tamil Nadu). Similarly millions of coconuts, tons of ghee, rice etc are criminally wasted in order to please the Gods…….I don’t understand which God had asked them to follow such practise……….. I personally feel that no God will ever accept people wasting materials in a country like India where there is already a severe scarcity for food…… |
In order to keep the tradition alive, I feel (personally) that simple water bath to the idols in the sanctorum and one oil lamp and an ordinary garland are more than enough; if you deserve blessings then you will get the same even with your simple and sincere prayer and without offering anything in special to please the God. In order to receive the blessings you need not please God by offering anything but you must be sincere while praying and believe me that ‘sincere prayers have never gone unheard’. |
Genuine demand / request with sincere prayer always yield results in the court of God; hence a saying is there: |
“You knock with hope, the door will be opened”.
“You ask with faith, you will be answered”.
“You go with trust, you will be taken.” |
Number Two: Offering water to Sun is nothing but pure superstitious acts. I don’t think any outcome due to offering water to Sun excepting waste of water and waste of precious time. |
God has created human being as rational creature hence our responsibility is to behave like decent man rather than following illogical way in our life to please Gods. |
Olden days are different from modern days; the thoughts of those people were different from the thoughts of modern people; they had materials and time to waste but we don’t have the same; if we too go on wasting money, materials, precious time in the name of following age old tradition then…………………….God will have no other option left but to laugh at our ignorance.
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Q 08: Since my birth I have been facing hurdles after hurdles everywhere and I have not done the progress the way I must have done. Somebody told me that the hurdles are due to curse……what is this dirty curse ……and how to escape this nuisance? |
A: “Curse is an unseen force that works silently and reaches the right person at a right time; therefore, never scorn the power of curse! A curse when is pronounced from the bottom of the heart with adequate weight behind it, then it could turn a person, a family, a village, a town, or sometime a whole state into nothing. |
Curse need not necessarily be given face to face but when given with proper wavelengths, they may even cross seven oceans and reaches the right person. Curse pronounced upon a person may fructify in a minute, in a day, in a month or in a year or within one’s life or after several births. It remain in the form of something unseen till the time of the fructification and start working silently for a cursed person; there is no escape without experiencing the heat of the pronounced curse until the whole courses are exhausted. A powerful curse has got a unique influence to nullify or even cancel the presence of excellent and promising Maha Yog, like Raj Yog, Simhasan Yog, etc in a horoscope”. ‘-An intellectual-‘ |
Q 09: I always do good things in my life but......I think God doesn’t like my services to public! |
A: Read the following story: |
People receive curse even for doing good deeds! |
Prarabdha Karma for every individual is the final verdict from the God on the basis of Karma, just like the final verdict from the apex court! Accordingly, an individual must experience enjoyment as reward for the virtuous act and suffer punishment for the evil act committed in the previous birth under the Law of Karma. There is no escape from paying the penalty. The Law of Karma is inexorable and acts routinely whether we wish or not. |
It is not necessary for anyone to receive curse for doing wrong deeds alone but people may also receive curses even for doing ‘good’ deeds. |
Any work, whether good or wrong, done causing pain to others then those deeds will be considered as sinful deeds and the sinner has to pay penalty for the committed sin either in the same birth or in the following birth; that is what Karmic Law suggests. |
Long ago a time there lived a rich man called Boleram. People never bothered when Boleram sang bhajan, bhakti-songs and did elaborate Puja-Archana to his God for hours together in the Puja room at his home; nevertheless, some people worried little when he erected a temporary tent outside his home in the public place in order to keep his God for public ‘darshan’ by closing the main road to pave way for his bhaktas to visit his favourite God and damaged the beautiful roads by digging to put-up a decorative entrance- gate. |
Some few people could not assimilate when Boleram decorated the pandal and highlighted the entire road with enormous electrical lights by extorting money from the poor shopkeeper nearby to emphasize his ‘good-organization-skill’ when there was huge scarcity for electricity in the state. A few people got further upset when Boleram started plying songs loudly through loudspeaker from dawn to dusk thus compelling everyone staying nearby to listen the songs compulsorily whether one wished or not. He also put huge cut-outs of own image in different poses throughout the area and focused electrical lights to his own placards thus forcibly making everyone to have his ‘Darshan’ daily. He continued his “public service” for ten long days. |
The general public who faced inconvenient due to the closer of road…………who got disheartened due to damaged caused to good road…………who got worried over the criminal wastage of electricity………….and who were irritated due to the nuisance of loudspeaker……………who were fed up seeing Boleram and his supporters’ ugly faces every day…………….who were annoyed by his extortion in the name of God…………could do nothing due to the religious-nature public service of Boleram; however, when some of them became more frustration and experienced unbearable nuisance due to his so called virtues work, some of them knowingly or unknowingly cursed him mildly. |
Nevertheless, that ‘mild’ curse turned into very powerful curse within no time due to the sin committed involving religious-nature and reached Boleram appropriately and started showing its true colour and true nature……………..I think I need not write how the curse worked thereafter and you may imagine for yourself. |
Even if one single person from the society feels truly sad over the mindless wastage of money, material, time etc in the name of God OR in order to appease God in a hilarious-way or in order to entertain public in the name of religious festivals in the secular country like India where inflation is already dancing to its own tune then the single person’s appropriate thinking will automatically be converted into very powerful curse! |
If that one single person happens to ask God whether God really interested in all these extravagance then the God will definitely feel apologetic towards the avoidable expenditure because Gods never accept these types of excessiveness nor superstitious means followed by people. |
Om Shanti; Om Shanti; Om Shanti Hi! |
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Q 10: Many Vedic Astrologers told me that I have many beneficial Yog present in my Birth-Chart but I am still in vagabond why? |
A: An astrologer must know to distinguish between functional-beneficial Yog and non-functional-beneficial Yog present in the Birth-Chart. Many a times promising Yog traced in a horoscope may become inactive. |
Q 11: Whether Karma of an individual could be changed or not.....if no then why; OR if yes then how? Please explain. |
A: Read the following story you will understand yourself. |
Long long ago, there lived a man called Drusht. He was only son to his rich parents, but he lost them very early in his life. He was married at his teen age and lived happily but only for few days; one day all of sudden, a huge fire broke in one of the rooms of his vast mansion and within a fraction of time his mansion was rapt by fire and he could not save anything except his pregnant wife. |
After that tragedy he moved to another big house where his wife delivered a healthy boy. Some months passed peacefully for Drusht but one fine morning, a heavy wooden beam from the roof fell down unexpectedly where his child was sleeping, thus killing the infant on the spot. After that heartbreaking incident, the disturbed-Drusht started consulting vastu specialist, astrologers etc and as per their advice he constructed a new house strictly according to Vaastu Sastras’, he started wearing gemstone suggested by gemmologist, he kept Yantra given by tantrik and always recited mantra advised by mantrik and after conducting all types of Graha-Shanti suggested by astrologers, he moved into the new house on an auspicious day along with his another time pregnant wife. |
His wife delivered a baby there; a year passed and one day his wife met with an accident in the new house and got broke her leg and became lame; Drusht sold the house and he once again consulted astrologers, gemmologist, palmistry, tarot reader, tantrik, mantrik, saints, babas and vastu-specialist before constructing another new house. Some months passed peacefully for him in the new house, but one day there also erupted a huge fire and spread to all the directions of his house and within no time Drusht lost not only his newborn child and his wife but also all his belongings in the flames! Thereafter Drusht lost all hopes in his life; he lost faith in God, he lost belief in astrology, in Mantra Sastras, Vastu-Kala, Puja-archana, and Dhan-Dharm. |
At last one fine morning he left his native once for all with one single dress around his waist and wandered in all directions for some years and finally he reached a temple as a ‘Bhikshu’ and spent his remaining days there as a Bhikshu. |
After passing about twelve long years in that way, one day he met a genuine saint in the temple. While narrating his story to the saint, Drusht said-“I consulted many astrologers, many palmist, many tarot reader etc & etc and everyone predicted bright future alone for me and my family, some suggested to do astrological remedy for the betterment of my wife and children which I did promptly, I did elaborate Vastu-Shanti, Graha-Shanti and Nav-Graha-Shanti in all my houses; I visited all the holy places; I wore gemstones and changed the alphabets in my name……… but the net results of all the Puja pushed me into this miserable state, what I am now!” –he said sadly and gave his Birth-Chart to the saint. |
After reading the Birth-Chart, the saint said-“I can understand your sufferings, but you should know the real cause for such debacles in your life; there is no use in blaming the Sastras; it is you, who alone is responsible for all your sufferings in this birth! The planetary position in your birth-chart clearly indicates your previous birth wrecked actions and its reactions in this birth; only your body had changed but not the soul!” - said the saint and continued… |
“…You were born in a very rich family in your last birth; you were well built and daredevil, very arrogant, hard-hearted, selfish and narrow-minded man in that birth. You were a drunkard and very short tempered man then. Once in your past birth, you came to know that a group of poor gypsies had put temporary tents in your wasteland in order to spend one chilled night there on their way to another town. You, under the intoxication state, rushed to the spot along with your unruly assistants during the dark night and set fire to their tents without issuing any warning to the poor people sleeping inside the tents, thus killing some of them in the tents; you amicably escaped the scene. Many of them including children and women lost their lives and some were seriously injured. You escaped from the hands of law due to your money and muscle power but you could not escape the powerful curses pronounced upon you by those poor dying people in your previous birth…”- |
Continued the saint “...do you need more explanations on your past birth...…The power of the curse you had brought along with you in this birth in the form of Prarabdha Karma was so unsympathetic that none of your good actions including your powerful Puja in this birth could orient any positive results for you because you were awarded ‘rigorous punishment life’ while at birth itself and there was no escape from paying the penalty for your inexcusable sins… However, none of your good actions done in this birth would go waste and they would be added in your future birth’s account...” |
On hearing the saint’s words, Drusht’s face changed into red due to humiliation, tears rolled like a river from his eyes. |
He understood the real meaning of Prarabdha Karma; he got up in hurry and turned towards the main deity in the temple, he folded both his hands and raised them above his head, cried loudly and sought the God to pardon him for all his past birth unforgivable sins. He lay down slowly on the floor and did one ‘Sashstaanga Namaskaar’ to the God in the form of confessing for all his past birth Karma…and Drusht never got-up! |
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